The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Phone.

Time flies in presidential races, it seems like yesterday that a good friend of mine met with Barack Obama about running the online portion of his campaign. He didn't want the job after the interview, sensing, correctly, that Obama was centrist, maybe even centrist-right and my friend is more of a Democrat.

I remember the exact quote so well: "If he ran as a true Progressive, he'd run away with this thing."

Indeed.

Now, we are anticipating the announcement of Barack Obama's running mate and the rumor mills were churning and turning and then the water seemed to settle down when Evan Bayh's name came up a while ago. I am pretty good at watching tea leaves inside the party and at this point, it would shock me if Bayh was not the VP nominee.

I, like millions of Americans, will learn about Barack's choice via text message, standard rates apply, and when I get that text, if it's not Bayh's name, it will be someone equally centrist, maybe even further right.

Howard Dean grabbed and held dear to the technology of the day in 2004 because he had no choice; he had no legacy power or mainstream media to help him, so he went outside their web to the Internet where a thousand points of support gathered together and propelled him to the front of the race.

This time around, all of the top six who ran for the Democratic nomination used the technology of the day to far greater lengths than the Kerry Campaign did in 2004, but none really captured the  outside in, the power of the people inherent in the technology and that's a shame.

In fact, the more Barack Obama uses the technology, the clearer it is that he has not captured the soul of the party and now he fails to ignite the passions of the left.

Does it date to when he threw General Clark under the bus? Or when he flipped on FISA, or guns, or Iraq or Public Financing? I actually think it goes back farther than that.

Hillary Hatred was a very real blinding rage that consumed so many Democrats. Anyone But Her became I love Barack. We overlooked his lack of experience, his policies, his love of Joe Lieberman. The warning signs were there and those, like Taylor Marsh or Kristen Breitweiser, who suggested we look at those signs, well, shouted down is far too polite a term for what they endured.

Barack is the nominee, and our country will be far better off if he wins versus John McCain. Like many, however, I am more interested in beating McCain and helping Congressional Candidates. McCain is very dangerous, I have said this for months, and he understands one fundamental political reality that Obama has missed so far.

McCain does just enough to keep his "maverick" label slightly in tact. He did do McCain-Feingold. He did stand up on Global Warming. He did turn down secret service protection earlier this year.

His positions don't stand up to any scrutiny but he understands in the broad media narrative world we live in, every so often, you have to throw the narrative a bone.

Barack and his mantra of change remains boneless. When he opted out of Public Financing, he could have said he would change the law to be $100 maximum contribution for all Americans, real public financing.

But he didn't.

With Iraq, the economy, global warming, anything, Barack needs to show there is some reality to the rhetoric, he hasn't done so yet.

And if he picks Evan Bayh, the son of a political family, the ultimate legacy politician, a supporter of the Iraq War, a centrist / centrist right politician and if it is Evan's name that comes through the  phone that day to you, it will mean that once again, change is how you talk the talk.

But when you walk the walk, it's the same old path.



Display:


Hmmm... (2.00 / 4)

I saw a 900 foot Jesus in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  What do you make of that?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:32:55 PM EST

Re: Hmmm... (2.00 / 4)

I heard that centrist right Al Gore picked Joe Lieberman as a running mate, I think he's not much of a Democrat either?


by Dog Chains on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:38:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm... (2.00 / 1)

I think maybe there are no such things as "Democrats".  Are we all on just a big snipe hunt?  Some diarists would certainly have us believe so.

Henceforth, when I see a diary that seems to be lacking in fact, I'll take it upon myself to add some (whether it's relevant or not).

Did you know that mapmakers will often insert a tiny piece of incorrect information in their maps to prevent the illegal reproduction of their work. Called a "copyright trap," the fake text might be a bogus street name or even the mapmakers' initials hidden in the corner of a city park.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:48:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm... (2.00 / 2)

I did not know that, that is fascinating.


by Cincinnatus on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:00:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Clinton/Bayh or Clinton/Strickland (2.00 / 1)

It would have happened with Hillary too.  I'd have put my money on Bayh or Strickland if she won, not Clark.  The party had no seriously viable lefties other than Edwards, and even he would have tacked center during the general.  

And don't rule out Clark just yet.

I too would be disappointed in Bayh.  But I'd sure as heck be happy if Obama were elected President.  We've been too long in the wilderness of hard right politics.


by maconblue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:09:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton/Bayh or Clinton/Strickland (none / 0)

Are you kidding?  It was going to be Clinton/Edwards all along.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 09:31:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm... (2.00 / 1)

I used to work at Navteq the digital mapmaker.  The tradition continues...


by Satya on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:53:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ohshit. (2.00 / 3)

The End Times are upon us?


I am not a crook!
by username on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:46:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ohshit. (2.00 / 0)

Extra credit if you know who said that originally.  No google cheats!

Heh.  ;)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:50:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ohshit. (2.00 / 1)

Ouch.  You make me want to TR myself -- I know I heard/read it somewhere, but I'm drawing a complete blank.  (And Google isn't much help on this one -- it's a very popular phrase.)


I am not a crook!
by username on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:56:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ohshit. (none / 0)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Robert s


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:04:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

WATCH SOMETHING PROGRESSIVE (2.00 / 3)

Check out

MEET THE BLOGGERS:

THIS WEEKS GUEST- RACHEL MADDOW!


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:27:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rachel Maddow? (2.00 / 1)

Isn't she supposed to be a misogynist sexist tool of the media?  Aren't the cool kids boycotting her and Keith too?


by Dumbo on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:09:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmmmmm as well... (2.00 / 2)

I saw the leaning tower of Pisa, and, damn, that thing is REALLY LEANING!!!!


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:39:04 PM EST

But the real question is... (none / 0)

Is it leaning to the left or to the right?  Inquiring purity troll minds MUST KNOW!


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:21:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

quick question... (2.00 / 2)

what does turning down secret service protection earlier this year have to do with governance?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:39:12 PM EST

Re: quick question... (2.00 / 2)

It means Barack is an elitist who can't ven stand the little secret service people being around him;)


by Dog Chains on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:45:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

wow a real one-half trick pony (1.33 / 3)

ain't ya?


by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:08:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: quick question... (2.00 / 2)

it means that McCain is naive, over confident, and would certainly put our country in risk with his mavericky bravado, allowing himself to be needlessly exposed.  So Basically, McCain is an idiot and this diarist is just trying to get McFlattery points which entitles McTrolls to a different prize, an autographed pic of McCain posing like Hasselhoff in the sand.

I also like how the diarists also refers to campaign finance reform, but failed to mention McCain's funding tactics in the primary/conversion to GE that appeared to violate his own bill.  Oh and wait, did I hear something jsut recently about his bundlers violating some campaign finance laws, or at the very least ethics recently?
Wow, what a reformer


by KLRinLA on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:59:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (1.00 / 2)

Super diary- will pass it around. Thanks.


by bluemoon on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:40:28 PM EST

Re: The Irony (2.00 / 4)

Speaking of paths. The one your on is well worn and leads nowhere.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:42:30 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (2.00 / 3)

"If he ran as a true Progressive, he'd run away with this thing."

This seems to be a common fallacy here: that "if he did X, I would like more" implies "if he did X, he would win."  You need some polls or something...
I am not a crook!
by username on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:45:33 PM EST

Pundit's fallacy (2.00 / 1)

it's unkillable.


by JJE on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:59:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (2.00 / 1)

Not only that, but does anyone think if he ran as a true progressive he would run away with this election?  I am sure may of us in the liberal blogoshpere would absolutely love it and go all Beatle's crazy, but I am not sure how that would play out in say the other 80% (or so ) of the population.  


by KLRinLA on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:04:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (none / 0)

I wish Bernie Sanders could be President, but I sure wouldn't like to see him as the Democratic nominee -- he'd be slaughtered.


I am not a crook!
by username on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:11:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of of your BS (2.00 / 1)

"Barack and his mantra of change remains boneless."

Hey thanks for yer 2 cents...

here is yer change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdeIZkZo2 PM


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:46:50 PM EST

Wrong website for a start..... (2.00 / 5)

James, you missed your appointed target for this screed.

www.noquarter.com

Wedge it in between the latest announcement of the Whitey Tapes debut and updates on Obama's fake birth certificate, your true audience awaits your elequence.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:49:42 PM EST

Re: Wrong website for a start..... (2.00 / 2)

The other day NQ had a diary saying that Obama texting his vp decision showed that he's a FASCIST.

Yes, it really said that.

And it said that this meant that there wouldn't be a public event introducing the vp -- as if the brilliant Obama campaign would pass up the obvious chance to get tons and tons of free media.

Of course lots of folks chimed in about how fascist Obama is.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:02:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wrong website for a start..... (2.00 / 2)

that's incredible.  I am always amazed how that crew has the ability to bend logic in ways previously unimagined.  I mean it's like reading a Dali painting (no offense Salvador).  I think they might be some lysergic acid in the kool aid they serve over there, that would only make sense with the dimensionl leaps it takes to follow their yellow brick road


by KLRinLA on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:09:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Your BS (2.00 / 2)

oh yeah..

"I remember the exact quote so well: "If he ran as a true Progressive, he'd run away with this thing.""

golly my memory as a geezer is lacking...
could you...would you please link..


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:52:08 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (1.00 / 2)

it's amazing that so many self-described progressives support obama.  his positions on the issues don't merit that support.


by Clarkin08 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:54:20 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (2.00 / 3)

He agrees with me on most things. If my only criterion for a president were agreeing with me on everything, I'd vote for myself.


by Cincinnatus on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:03:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (2.00 / 3)

For those of you who cant' see who rec.d this piece of shite:

The Following Users Have Recommended This Diary:
souvarine
Clarkin08
bluemoon
Phyl
Zeitgeist9000
twinmom
reggie44pride


by venician on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:04:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (none / 0)

Since you are passing judgemnt on others do you remember when you wrote

"Ignorant white voters".

Funny do you thank that was racist?

david


by giusd on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:17:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (2.00 / 5)

I don't know the context, but the portion you've quoted is not actually racist. "Ignorant white voters" would refer to white voters who also happen to be ignorant. You seem to be thinking that the quote means "white voters ARE ignorant". Back to grammar school with ye!


by Cincinnatus on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:21:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (1.00 / 1)

Back to which school.  Medical school or graduate school.  Be specific.  And please give me a break we all know what that quote means.

But nice try.

david


by giusd on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:25:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (2.00 / 2)

Grammar school, like I said. More specifically elementary school, probably 4th grade or so. You clearly need to brush up on the basics. Maybe get some reading comp in there too.


by Cincinnatus on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:31:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of (1.00 / 2)

Dude if you dont have anything serious to write you should give it up.  But does a internet grammer bully pay well.

You look weak.  

david


by giusd on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:35:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of (1.75 / 4)

no david you look weak.

just read up thread.

if you need more tissues Im sure we can all pitch in.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:49:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of (1.66 / 3)

I am dead serious. Check it out, this is my serious face. Are you looking? Rrrrrrrrrrr! Serious.


by Cincinnatus on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:44:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of (2.00 / 1)

My very first downrated comment. I'm honored. Ironically, I've said things that deserved it WAY more than this.


by Cincinnatus on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 09:46:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of (none / 0)

Well, this thread saw my first MyDD comment which is also my first downrated comment.  I may need to revert to the rule that has made this site work for me in the past: there is useful political discourse as long as you don't get anywhere near the comments!


by tdub on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 10:39:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sigh... (none / 0)

Looking at that post, I'm going to have to agree with the poster who suggested you return to grammar school.  Let's break it down:

Dude if you dont have anything serious to write you should give it up.

"Dude" is a direct address, and thus needs a comma after it.  "Don't" is a contraction, and thus needs an apostrophe.  Finally, your entire sentence is an if-then construction, and thus needs a comma between the two clauses.  Corrected, that sentence reads:

"Dude, if you don't have anything serious to write, you should give it up."

Now, let's move on to the next sentence.

But does a internet grammer bully pay well.

"Internet" begins with a vowel, and thus the article "an" should be used in place of "a."  The word "grammar" does not have an "e" in it.  The entire sentence is a question, and thus should have a question mark rather than a period at the end.  Also, I believe you are asking whether being an internet grammar bully pays well, not whether internet grammar bullies pay well.  Thus, you need to insert the gerund "being" after "does."  Corrected, this sentence reads:

"But does being an internet grammar bully pay well?"

You look weak.

Congratulations, that sentence needs no correction!

david

Proper nouns, such as names, must be capitalized.  Corrected, that signature now reads:

"David"

If you want to be taken seriously, you should really learn how to write the English language first.  Thank you for playing.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 10:51:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sigh... (2.00 / 1)

Now THAT is a grammatical smackdown. I'd rec it for love of the English language if I could.


by Cincinnatus on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 11:31:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When did "binary decision" (2.00 / 2)

become such an insanely esoteric and difficult-to-grasp concept?

I could see being amazed if the election were Obama versus Feingold or something. Obama and McKinney, yes - Progressive support for O would be baffling.

Obama vs McCain? His support is really THAT amazing?


by Neef on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:05:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree with much of what you wrote (2.00 / 1)

I saw your article first at HuffPo. But I'm not surprised to see you get slammed for your honesty here.

From my perspective, it does not harm to be critical of your candidate, expect more, push the envelope or hold his feet to the fire. This is a democracy. That is progressive politics. I applaud you and stand behind you. You said you'd vote strongly against McCain and that's all we can ask.

It's been a long journey for me from a Taylor Marsh reader and diehard Clinton supporter... but, like TM, I am a Democrat. Obama has my vote. My excitement, not so much. I do find him boneless... I don't beging to see the appeal... so shoot me?

The only thing about Bayh which appeals to me is that he has twins :). Otherwise he strikes me as an uninspiring, uber-cautious choice.


"Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been." Hillary Rodham Clinton - June 7, 2008
by twinmom on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:01:29 PM EST

Re: I agree with much of what you wrote (2.00 / 1)

Criticism is fine.  "Your candidate sucks" is not criticism.  It's boneless.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:09:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

62262 (1.00 / 2)

I just signed up!

If it's Obama-Bayh, I'm a sayin' bye!


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:08:32 PM EST

Odd (2.00 / 2)

In the primary you loved DLC candidates.

Somehow I get the impression that there's nothing Obama could do to get your vote.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:16:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Odd (none / 0)

1. Yes, thanks for noticing.
2. I will vote for Obama. I'm just being a menace.

But Bayh, seriously! I guess I'll be bored to death on Thursday night.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:36:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 62262 (2.00 / 1)

And we care, why?


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:18:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Isn't Bayh, you know, an idiotic choice? (2.00 / 1)

First of all, I don't see Obama choosing another senator.  That just seems silly.

Secondly, the governor of Indiana is a Republican; he'll appoint a Republican to serve out Bayh's term.  We don't have the Senate seats to be just tossing them away willy-nilly.

Seriously, I don't think you guys think these things through when you push the pre-emptive outrage button.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:12:55 PM EST

Re: Isn't Bayh, you know, an idiotic choice? (none / 0)

I don't know...Gore chose Lieberman (speaking of idiotic choices) who, IIRC, would have been replaced by a Republican governor in CT.  In hindsight, I'd be glad to have settled for that outcome, rather than 8 years of Chimpy Boy.  But my point is that it has been done before.  


by Captain Bathrobe on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:08:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Different situations (none / 0)

In 2000 there was no chance of gaining a filibuster-proof majority.  Not that I think we're going to get one this time, but it's possible, and getting to be necessary.

Also Lieberman was also a moronic pick, as you mention.  Obama is smart; he'll go for someone prominant but not currently holding a forfeitable position.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 10:08:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ms Marsh is hardly a ref standard for objectivity? (2.00 / 4)

James, here's a hint.

If you're pumping up your bonafide's by bringing up self-appointed journalist/radio personality Taylor Marsh as a reference point for authentically infront of the curve, you've kind of self-defined yourself as "gadfly."


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:13:53 PM EST

Ouch (none / 0)

That's totally gonna leave a mark.  :)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:08:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bash him before, bash him after (2.00 / 1)

There isn't a single choice of VP that will satisfy every faction of the party.  So no matter what, someone will be upset and will voice that.

Bashing him for a pick he hasn't even announced yet, based on an assumption of who he's going to pick, makes even less sense.


by barath on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:33:52 PM EST

Yes, but the firestorm that is coming..... (2.00 / 2)

The main criteria for a gaggle of "I warned you, I'm voting for McCain if..." diaries will be "NOT HILLARY" as the text message.

I expect there to be a 13 car pile up as XXXXxx and YYYYYYY and ZZZZZZ fight to get their dairies up if it's anyone but Senator Clinton.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:38:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So sad... (1.50 / 4)

that this site is never going to recover. The double blow of Stoller & Bowers leaving, followed by the over-zealous support for a Senator who authorized the occupation of Iraq and is married to the best Republican president we've ever had has sent this place swirling down the toilet.

I thought... I hoped that after we had a nominee, regardless of who it was, that this place would recover and once again become a refuge for those of us who saw Bush and the Republicans for what they were, long before the general population did.

Instead it is now a cauldron of bitterness, hell-bent on ruining the best opportunity Democrats have had to regain power in a long time.

I guess there's no turning back once you've jumped the shark. This diary is nothing but whiny garbage.


by potus2020 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:46:26 PM EST

gnooze...... (2.00 / 1)


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:51:11 PM EST

Re: The Irony (2.00 / 3)

 If you love finding fault with everything Obama does or doesn't do as the candidate, then why don't you marry it?


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:52:27 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (2.00 / 2)

If progressives are so popular why is it that we've only had one Dem president during the past 28 years?  And only four during the past 56 years?  Only one of whom served two terms?

Progressives should support Obama so the Dems can get into the batters circle.  First elect a Dem president.  Then bitch.

 


by IncognitoErgoSum on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 05:57:38 PM EST

All this selective outrage is so funny (2.00 / 2)

My problem with all this "progressive chest thumping" is if all these folks really walked the walk, we would have 50 sites for people whining that Dennis Kuchinich didn't get the nod.

But, I'm not seeing

NoDennis.com

Dennisis44.com

Alegrescornerfordennis.com

I'm really sick of people taking pot shots at Senator Clinton, so that is NOT what I mean in this comment....but....

These folks who want to RIP Obama were so damn willing to defend her vote on AUMF, Kyl-Lieberman, the flag burning initiative?

What's progressive about those votes?

Hell, if things were reversed, we would have had 100 diaries defending HER vote on FISA when she would have voted JUST AS OBAMA did...

So, IF you wanted progressive purity from the start, you should have started, stuck with, and been whining about Dennis not getting the nod.

All the rest is selective outrage IMHO, we all know Senator Clinton would have run to the middle just like Senator Obama has done, just like ANY democrat trying to get elected would....


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:11:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All this selective outrage is so funny (2.00 / 1)

What you're forgetting is that Hillary is the most progressive candidate this nation has ever seen, ever. Ever.


by Cincinnatus on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:46:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All this selective outrage is so funny (1.50 / 2)

For serious.

Hey, I hear there's going to be a big Net Neutrality/Legalize Hemp/Obliterate Iran demonstration in NYC this weekend


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:50:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All this selective outrage is so funny (1.00 / 2)

To really walk the progressive walk you have to support the wacky demagogue? Way to out yourself, McTroll.


by souvarine on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:50:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All this selective outrage is so funny (2.00 / 1)

Wacky demagogue?  LOL  

God, one Maureen Dowd is enough.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:52:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All this selective outrage is so funny (2.00 / 1)

wacky demagogue?

Loved there first album, but when they tried to go funky and add the horn section, that was not a good move.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:01:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All this selective outrage is so funny (2.00 / 1)

Because only a McCain supporter would love Kucinich. It's his natural constituency.


by Cincinnatus on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:04:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All this selective outrage is so funny (1.50 / 2)

Really.  Because peace in Iraq and a single-payer health system is just CRAZY TALK.

Way to out yourself, DLCer.


by Ponderous on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:05:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (none / 0)

If Obama picks Bayh, then we'll all know the truth. Obama is NOT a progressive, has never been will never be. The Progressive agenda will move forward a little under an Obama administration, but not as much as we'd like. However, right now he's all we got and he's MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the alternative.


by mjamal97 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:05:14 PM EST

We already know he's not a Progressive (2.00 / 1)

he won a Primary.


by Neef on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:14:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (2.00 / 1)

If Obama picks Bayh, then the truth will be that his campaign discovers he polls well, or maybe that the party factions hammered out a compromise.

Since when is someone's VP choice a window into their soul?  I'll not mince words: this is the most idiotic thing I've ever seen, ranging from benign (DesMoinesDem's crusade for progressives to use their power to influence the VP pick) to malignant (your comment).

The Vice-Presidency has no power other than what the President gives it.  End of discussion.

What did picking LBJ say about Kennedy?  What did Humphrey, in his turn, say about Johnson?  What did Bush I say about Reagan?  What did Geraldine Ferraro say about Mondale?  What did Lloyd Bentsen, a conservative's conservative, say about Michael Dukakis, a man who's gone down in history for losing because he was too liberal?  What did Gore say about Clinton?  What did Lieberman say about Gore?

Nothing.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:15:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (none / 0)

Not to quibble, but Dukakis didn't lose because he was too liberal.  He lost because he let Bush slap him around for more than a month before he decided to fight back, by which time it was too late.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 10:47:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (none / 0)

I agree.  But the smacking around took the form of painting him as too liberal.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 12:54:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (2.00 / 1)

The first couple of sentences really prove what a fool you are... and I believe you had a friend who interviewed about as far as I can throw you.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:14:55 PM EST

The Irony of These Nuts: (2.00 / 2)

Yeah, Taylor Marsh and Kristen Breistmuller were definitely ahead of the curve on this one.  Especially when Kristen Breistmuller said that beating McCain was so important that whoever was trailing after Super Tuesday should drop out.  And when it didn't turn out the way she wanted it too, no matter - she went full steam ahead with the vitriol, knowing that her supporters are, by and large, rather stupid.

Also Rosanne Barr.  If you're going to lower the bar that much, then why not throw "Bow to the Woman" as another prescient essay?


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:19:36 PM EST

Re: The Irony of These Nuts: (2.00 / 1)

"Especially when Kristen Breistmuller said that beating McCain was so important that whoever was trailing after Super Tuesday should drop out."

"But..but...but..Every vote must be counted?  What about those poor folks in Puerto Rico!!!!"

Oh, wait, I was channeling Texas Darlin' there for a minute...never mind.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:22:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What a waste of a diary (2.00 / 1)

Check out

MEET THE BLOGGERS:


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:23:07 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name (2.00 / 1)

Obama's a Centrist, Hillary's a Neocon, and Edwards is a Reconstructed Progressive.

Why is this a surprise to you?


by Bush Bites on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:48:18 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of Food (2.00 / 1)

James...
share some recipes?

http://www.howtocookeverything.tv/htce/M eetTheChefs/detail/chefId-12.html


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:48:24 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of posting at Kos (none / 0)

...Jimmy....
Why would you fail to mention your cross post of this on Kos?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8 /12/17311/3628/575/566929


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:51:26 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of posting at Kos (2.00 / 2)

Out of 62 comments, this one is my favorite:

tip jar (0+ / 0-)

thanks

James Cannon Boyce

by jamesboyce on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 02:41:43 PM PDT

...sad trombone...


by Ponderous on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:03:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name (2.00 / 1)

Bayh has said he wouldn't be in favor of the war if he had to do it over again.

Which puts him ahead of Hillary in my book.


by Bush Bites on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 06:59:04 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name (1.50 / 2)

Excellent point.


by Ponderous on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:09:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Irony Of Evan Bayh... (2.00 / 1)

The only irony here, is that he was widely discussed as a possible and good VP choice for Clinton when he endorsed her.


by Whash on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:14:29 PM EST

Re: I don't know what irony means (2.00 / 1)

Oh, I almost forgot!

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:17:13 PM EST

How much irony can be packed in one diary. (none / 0)

And still get on the rec list?

I've been predicting Evan Bayh, as well, and have posted it many times here, but always based on the strategic need to appeal to the hard-core Clintonistas in the Democratic establishment who fear being kicked to the curb.  (Not the same thing as on-line Hillary supporters on MyDD or elsewhere, please note.)  To use the possibility of Bayh as veep choice as a jumping off point to the usual post-Hillary thumping seems so strange.

Hillary Hatred was a very real blinding rage that consumed so many Democrats. Anyone But Her became I love Barack. We overlooked his lack of experience, his policies, his love of Joe Lieberman. The warning signs were there and those, like Taylor Marsh or Kristen Breitweiser, who suggested we look at those signs, well, shouted down is far too polite a term for what they endured.

How blinded do you have to be to use a Hillary booster like Taylor Marsh as the jumping off point to attack Obama for not being progressive enough?  Hillary, too, like Bayh, was a DLC president.  Hillary ran on a centrist, mostly pro-war platform and lost because of it.  But Obama is the one who has turned his backs on progressives.

I wish I could offer a better criticism of this diary, but it makes no sense at all.  I can, in a way, understand attacking Obama for being too centrist, or not being Hillary, but to attack him for both things in one diary is silly.


by Dumbo on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:18:49 PM EST

Without additional comment... (2.00 / 1)

The Following Users Have Recommended This Diary:

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by Dumbo on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:23:44 PM EST

Re: Without additional comment... (none / 0)

Thank you!

(I actually can't check on my own.  Par for the course.)


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:34:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

no message (1.00 / 1)

I am very concerned about all of the points brought up in the diary.


Obama is definitely the weakest nominee that Democrats have put up this decade.
by notBobDole on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:37:45 PM EST

Re: no message (none / 0)

"[new] no message (none / 0)

I am very concerned about all of the points brought up in the diary."

You could have stopped after no message.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:41:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: no message (none / 0)

So you think Obama picking Bayh would be good?


Obama is definitely the weakest nominee that Democrats have put up this decade.
by notBobDole on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:59:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: no message (none / 0)

Na, I want Clark or Hillary.

But, then again, I want Obama elected first and foremost?

I will not be happy about Bayh as VP, but my check goes out every third week as usual.

What say you bout that?

You on board with Obama, or?


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 08:02:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I just signed up for a MyDD account so I could say (1.33 / 3)

THANK GOD your holier-than-Obama pal didn't get the online gig.  "Met with...about" the job obviously isn't the same as "got offered," and simple observation of the Obama campaign's success in online organizing proves that Obama got the best candidate for that job.  So Ockham's razor can dispense with this parable about the Holy Man Who Smelled Obama's Bullshit.

Oh, and Obama won't pick Bayh.  And you're not good at reading tea leaves.

Sorry to start on such a negative note.  I'm a longtime reader and just could not contain my outrage at this presumption.


by tdub on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:52:37 PM EST

Senator, we need more Meetups™! (2.00 / 1)

Nice rant!

Welcome.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 08:19:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

weak flyby, tobereal..... (2.00 / 1)

Uprated for really weak downrate.

Tobereal, the poster just got here, and there was nothing in that post that deserved a downrate.

But, how wussy of you to just downrate and run.

Welcome Tdub, the place gets a little silly (your post didn't deserve the smackdown) but most are good eggs.....


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 12:29:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: weak flyby, tobereal..... (2.00 / 1)

trytobereal is zerosumgame's sockpuppet.  Yes, the guy who complains about ratings abuse has a profile that he uses to downrate people.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 12:56:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (none / 0)

Bayh may well be a head fake. The hyperventilating fossil progs once again roil the waters with feeble febrile speculation and the mindless arrogance I have come to expect.

1. Obama NEVER was the handmaiden to your obsolete rotten dreams, he is a pragmatic centrist.

2. Regular America is increasingly excited about the fellow but you live in like minded echo chambers and rarely chat with those you find beneath you over minor semantic preferences and petty 'lifestyle' differences.

3. The conditions bearing down from peak oil, climate change and a global economic realignment mean that the Fat Happy world we take for granted is vanishing forever.

I am confident Obama will make it as you all are like a canary fart in a sawmill. But the thing he inherits will be a mess from hell. I root for his youth, intelligence, adaptability and vigor.

You all don't get that your fat and happy lifestyles are going to take a hit. 401k allocations will vaporize. Your home equity values if you are home owners will plunge even more.

We are facing something that will make the Great Depression look like a party while you all sit and carp and second guess from your Lazy Boy Armchairs.

I have organized my life to handle the storm.. and you?


by chris rich on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 09:46:44 PM EST

Re: The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Pho (none / 0)

It's so adorable when all the dead-enders rally around one of these silly diaries. Empowerment is a click of the recommend button!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 09:59:04 PM EST


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