Obama's Bad Polling Numbers

Today the press is full of stories concerning Obama's falling polling numbers.  The right wing outlets are having a great time blasting our candidate for his 'failures' as a politician.  However here at MYDD we seem to be content to let them run with it with little or no objection from us.  I perused the diaries this morning and don't see even one diary concerning our next play in countering this propaganda.  It seems as if we're content to simply stick our heads in the sand and hope that them bad mens go way!

This is not the way to win, folks.  This is not the way to get Obama elected.

It's time for us to stand up to these thugs and tell it like it is.    Hillary supporters, Obama supporters, we're ALL democrats, thus we're all hated by the right wing smear machine.  

So what if Obama is down five points in some poll done by a wellknown right winger?  Tomorrow he will be up again.  But what can we do in the meantime?  How can we help?

We must call attention to the fact that McCain is OLD.  Old and unbalanced.  His years as a POW are years we need to investigate.  Did he help the enemy?  Did he inform?  Were there any embarrassing sexual trysts while imprisoned?  Did the he drop napalm on unarmed civilians?  If so, then he is a war criminal, and must be called out as such.

These are things we must exploit.  To hell with taking the high road, McCain isn't taking the high road.  He only this week said that Obama was for killing living babies!  It's as if they've painted him as a child-killer!

The gloves need to come off.  We need to hit back, and hard.

We need to show the US populace what we're all about:  feeding the poor, taxing the richest to help the less well off, assuring womens right to choose, assuring that gays get full marital rights (this we MUST do, this is a winning issue for us as this goes to the core of the civil rights movement).

We need to stop playing the victim.  We must attack, attack attack!!!


Poll
should we attack mccain's weak spots?
yes
no
quietly, so no one can blame us for going negative

Votes: 19
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Tips n recs for attacking McCain's crimes?


by phillyandcheese on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:35:14 AM EST

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Such a bad idea. SO BAD.


by Cincinnatus on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:44:23 AM EST

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I agree. Timing is everything. McCain went negative early and in doing so solidified some of the GOP base, which needed to be reminded that they hate Democrats. But he still hasn't gotten past his ceiling.

Obama's been advertising in targeted areas with hard-hitting anti-McCain ads, but doing so selectively. His national ad campaign has been directed toward maintaining his positive image with policy-oriented messages. He can't really go negative on a national scale until he's first introduced himself at the convention.

I think the Obama campaign has a strategy (coordinated with the DNC) to, as the polls bounce, ramp up the ground game in September, keep post-convention excitement high, and start hitting McCain hard starting with the debates. Their timing has generally been pretty good, and their sense of the dynamics of the race seems pretty astute.

Sending a message from his supporters that they're restless and want to be more aggressive can help a campaign gauge the mood of its ground forces, and the message may well be heeded it to a degree. But calls like this one, to attack! attack! attack! in ways that would tarnish Obama's image and play to McCain's advantage, not so much.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:16:20 AM EST
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I personally disagree. McCain's attacks haven't hurt McCain, but Obama.

Obama's attacks would have the same effect.


Can I Haz More Palin?
by reebus on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:19:00 AM EST
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Let me get this straight:  You want us to not attack McLoser?

At this point in the election I'm very suspicious of anyone advocating a passive strategy.


by phillyandcheese on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:21:03 AM EST
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Oh, I very much want us to attack him. But trying to dig up dirt on his war record? There's plenty of dirt to be had elsewhere.


by Cincinnatus on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:25:53 AM EST
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Exactly. McCain is viewed as a genuine war hero by most people in this country. You won't gain traction by attacking his war record,especially when Obama has no military record. Hammer him on issues and statements he has made. Tie him to the GOP record and agenda. That's how to hit him.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:58:36 AM EST
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"McLoser" Hey, that's clever!

No, what I'm saying is that the timing, the nature, the targets, and the locations of Obama's attacks on McCain have been and are going to be carefully rolled out.

The public has a lot of entrenched though false perceptions of McCain, while they're still just getting to know Obama. The campaign is definitely going to hit McCain hard, probably working from scripts provided daily by McCain himself. But to go on a full-out negative attack run would be counter to his campaign's image and be a sign of weakness.

McCain went negative early because he was losing.  Remember "McLoser"? Gosh, that's so funny!!


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 12:52:28 PM EST
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When the convention starts you'll see plenty of attacking.

And Obama has been hitting back and taking the offensive.

But it should be remembered, or learned, that McBush's nonstop attacks of recent weeks are a sign of desperation on his part which, according to most polls, have brought him only marginal gains.


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:05:55 AM EST

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I hope youre right.  McLame's desperation is obvious, and his negative campaign tactics are not going to work.


by phillyandcheese on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:11:00 AM EST
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The lead comes from the Obama campaign. If they are hesistant in attacking and defining McCain, why should the rest of us.
All I hear from Obama is how 'he honours the service of McCain' while the same man laughs at his face.

Come on be serious.


Obama/Biden 08
by W126 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:08:16 AM EST

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And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:26:20 AM EST

hello stranger! (none / 0)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:36:12 AM EST
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I am not sure we should attack McCain as a POW, but with as many crashes and lost planes he had I would think serious questions could be brought up about his fitness, and if his fathers influence kept him in uniform.  The crashes and related investigations need to be strongly looked at, and compared to how other soldiers would have been treated in similar instances.  I think we can leave him with the label of "hero" while labeling him as unfit. His temper plays into this as well.

I don't think we ever need to mention his age, the people that care notice that already.  But we should be able to question if he is capable of learning new tricks.  The way he has dealt with military and security issues has been very cold war. We should pound him on not being ready for the new world environment.  Which works for the economy as much as security issues.

We have been hearing that his campaign had to take away his cell phone to keep him on their message.  The joke that the candidate doesn't speak for the campaign.  Pound him with the message that we do not need our next President to be a follower.  The we can conjure up images of Bush, Cheney, Lobyists, and Corporations as who he is following.  It undercuts the maverick image, and ties him to Bush and the people the undermined the country the last 8 years.

Hit McCain and the GOP with not caring about real Americans, on Health Care, Taxes, Jobs, and Rights.

Use his recent attacks on Obama for taxes against him, with the message that if he knew the situation that average American is in he would understand that Obama is cutting taxes on the poor and middle class, and only asking the rich to pay a fair and consistent tax rate. Turn the tables on him with the question of who is out of touch.

And Democrats need to be able to embrace the average gun owner. And hold a dialogue with people that don't exist inside cities/suburbs.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:38:43 AM EST

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great post!


by phillyandcheese on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:50:36 AM EST
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Do you really want to go all the way back to Vietnam?  Are you a Vietnam Veteran?  Do you personally know any Vietnam Veterans?  

The definition of "war criminal" is George W. Bush.


by cameoanne on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:16:41 AM EST

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I am a vet from that time...
Bush IS a war criminal..
I have lived a full life sine that time..
It was 40 fucking years ago..
How many people here were even alive then?
Vets my age think McCain is a joke..
We moved on with our lives..
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:13:29 AM EST
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That's great that you have lived a full life and have moved on.  I applaud you ... and I thank you for your service.

Regarding other posters here; Do we really want to start talking about what happened in Vietnam?  Afterall, we have many Veterans in our government that served during that time; ie; John Kerry, Joe Biden, Al Gore, Bob Kerrey, Chris Dodd, Chuck Hagel, Tom Harkin, Tim Johnson, Bill Nelson, Jack Reed, Jim Webb, etc.

Anyone who personally knows a Vietnam Veteran, especially one who has been "in country" and in jungle combat, would know enough to give them the repect that is due them.  Some of these veterans have not faired as well as nogo postal.

I am getting the impression that some posters here have not heard those war stories, and do not have any idea what those Vietnam Veterans went through on the ground.  Therefore, their criticism of any Vietnam Veteran rings hollow.


by cameoanne on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:36:11 PM EST
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You folks really need to browse around more...
Obama is hitting hard in specific States..

If you live in NV.. you have seen the yucca ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX-ed4_Km 2Q

If you live in Ohio you have seen this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuOE9skx0 bA

If you live in GA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9PT_qKQr L8

Here in Colorado we have been seeing this in the Obama ad rotation for a month
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT-lxXsrg aE

If you live in a State where Obama is safe?
Probably won't see a lot..

as for bad polling numbers?
I assume you are talking about States and the EV.
What States is he losing that he should be winning?

This map does not have me worried
http://www.pollster.com/

and if you look at the numbers in toss-up States..those will end up Obama ..yes even FL


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:08:48 AM EST

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His years as a POW are years we need to investigate.  Did he help the enemy?  Did he inform?  Were there any embarrassing sexual trysts while imprisoned?  Did the he drop napalm on unarmed civilians?  If so, then he is a war criminal, and must be called out as such.

There are not very many ways of ensuring a McCain landslide...but that is one of them!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:52:35 AM EST

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"We must call attention to the fact that McCain is OLD.  Old and unbalanced.  His years as a POW are years we need to investigate.  Did he help the enemy?  Did he inform?  Were there any embarrassing sexual trysts while imprisoned?  Did the he drop napalm on unarmed civilians?  If so, then he is a war criminal, and must be called out as such."

WTF?!

sorry, but obama (bless them wonderful superdelegates) won the nomination on the promise of change, now you wanna change the rules? too bad. eat your words. this is insulting as a hillary supporter. the problem isn't mccain, it's obama.

he's like the democrat's version of george w. he seems insulated from anything going on outside and probably surrounds himself with all of the wonderful press clippings of the day. guess what? outside of the gloating media bubble is the actual public who probably does not share the media's glee of his coronation. like george w., he gets snipy at every criticism of him (have they not been reading the wonderful press!?)...you're either racist, old politics, a cheater or rovian. he needs to get over the whining.

guess what? for a guy who does not have much of a record, he has a lot to answer for. notice all of the undecideds in poll after poll? voters (like myself) have no stomach for mccain but are unsure of obama.

flip flopping on the town hall meetings with mccain is so far his worst judgement call to date. because really what he needs to do is go out there and answer the public questions face to face in lucid verbatim. forget the "uh.. uh... uhs" and lowering the sea level.

bill clinton said his candidacy is big fat fairy tale and he was right. the media enabled it and now the public is waking up to it. and the public, not the press, gets to write the ending.


by darwinism on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:42:57 AM EST


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